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Jake_Steel · Jan 11, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Mork from Ork

It's going be interesting to see what happens with PlayNC and ANet end of this month.

2: In one month PlayNC will have received multiple complaints about Polar Bear, Bonus Mission Pack, Wintersday hats and lag, candy cane shards unable to be turned in because collectors removed before some players expected, and now this series of bans - most will not be serious support tickets but it's got to be clogging support email at the moment.

Love to be a fly on the wall next Time PlayNC execs meet with ANet.

All of this stuff is minor and very common to the sorts of complaints that Online games are inundated with every day in droves. It's not going to matter, not even a bit.

The Great Al · Jan 11, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Great Al you're right, except these people should have been banned for taking advantage of it..BUT so should everyone else who has ever taken advantage of a bug/exploit in this game since it's start. Like I said bye bye 50% of the population.

I said this in the other thread too, but...to me, this is basically the same as going into a store, and trying to buy something that has a mislabeled price on it. Not that you just put the wrong price tag on it, but someone in the store did. If you try to buy the item, one of two things will happen:

1. The store will admit their mistake, and honor the cheaper price.
2. The store will admit their mistake, and not honor the cheaper price.

Calling the cops or throwing you out of the store isn't something that anyone would do here.

If deep in the maguuma jungle there is a flower that drops an elemental sword every time it is clicked on (don't bother looking; there probably isn't) am I doing anything against the EULA by selling some or using it for myself?

Unless actual hacking was involved, this was a mistake by Anet. People were just doing something that is physically possible to do in the game.

DarkNecrid · Jan 11, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

"Unless actual hacking was involved, this was a mistake by Anet. People were just doing something that is physically possible to do in the game."

Well if you would of take a minute to research it, yes, actual hacking was involved.

The Great Al · Jan 11, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

"Unless actual hacking was involved, this was a mistake by Anet. People were just doing something that is physically possible to do in the game."

Well if you would of take a minute to research it, yes, actual hacking was involved.

Well then, that's a different story.

Commander Ryker · Jan 11, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

If no actual 'hacking' took place, then this is basically an Anet screw up, and people were taking advantage of it, in a way that at least as far as I can see, isn't illegal.

Did you not read Gaile's post? I'll post this bit because it seems her post was too long for your mind to comprehend all at once.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

The existence of the outpost -- in hidden form -- is required to offer the Domain of Anguish. This was not a "test" and the outpost absolutely could not be "deleted when we were finished with 'testing" or "saved on some storage device." So as directly as I can say it to those offering unfounded opinions: Deleting the outpost disables the entire Domain of Anguish mission. Therefore, let's be fair and not blame ArenaNet because someone hacked his client!

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Also don't you find it funny how they tried to cover up their mistakes by saying someone hacked?

Actually, what I find funny is all these cheaters trying to blame anet for their cheating.

garethporlest18 · Jan 11, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

I said this in the other thread too, but...to me, this is basically the same as going into a store, and trying to buy something that has a mislabeled price on it. Not that you just put the wrong price tag on it, but someone in the store did. If you try to buy the item, one of two things will happen:

1. The store will admit their mistake, and honor the cheaper price.
2. The store will admit their mistake, and not honor the cheaper price.

Calling the cops or throwing you out of the store isn't something that anyone would do here.

If deep in the maguuma jungle there is a flower that drops an elemental sword every time it is clicked on (don't bother looking; there probably isn't) am I doing anything against the EULA by selling some or using it for myself?

Unless actual hacking was involved, this was a mistake by Anet. People were just doing something that is physically possible to do in the game.

Yeah I agree with you. But isn't abusing/using an exploit against the EULA? So I'm just saying Anet should be fair in their bannings. (yes I would be banned as well for exploiting).

Also don't you find it funny how they tried to cover up their mistakes by saying someone hacked?

dargon · Jan 11, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Ok, two things

1.) just because you've done 'nice things' for players in the game, does not mean you have the right take advantage of bugs / hacks / exploits / etc, there is no such thing as a Get Out of Jail Free card in Guild Wars

2.) there is no written in stone policy on exploits, etc and how they are handled for 1 simple reason, way to many people would abuse that knowledge to hell and back. They'd push the limits right up to that final line, knowing that unless they crossed it, they'll get away without consequence. By leaving things as they are now, people have a better reason to not be dumbasses, you think twice about being stupid when you are well aware that it could bite you on the ass. Obviously, a few people got bit within the last 48 hours and now they want to complain that they have a sore ass. Some of them may be justified, but some of them most certainly are not.

maraxusofk · Jan 11, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

lol dont u love how most of the people protesting the bans are people whose guru accounts are relatively new?

for people that did abuse this, consider this real life example. if a bank explodes and the money in it is scattered about, u would have an opportunity to take that money, similar to a security vulnerability in real life. if u did take that money, u would be guilty of stealing. in this game, if u did exploit a vulnerablit, u would be guilty regardless of the opportunity popping up. people who justify the action as saying anet left it open so its not their fault for abusing it (even though such actions is against the EULA) is like criminals who say "its not my fault i robbed this person's house, they left their door open"

lishi · Jan 11, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

I said this in the other thread too, but...to me, this is basically the same as going into a store, and trying to buy something that has a mislabeled price on it. Not that you just put the wrong price tag on it, but someone in the store did. If you try to buy the item, one of two things will happen:

1. The store will admit their mistake, and honor the cheaper price.
2. The store will admit their mistake, and not honor the cheaper price.

Calling the cops or throwing you out of the store isn't something that anyone would do here.

If deep in the maguuma jungle there is a flower that drops an elemental sword every time it is clicked on (don't bother looking; there probably isn't) am I doing anything against the EULA by selling some or using it for myself?

Unless actual hacking was involved, this was a mistake by Anet. People were just doing something that is physically possible to do in the game.

scamming is something physically possible to do in the game as well

Arch the · Jan 11, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

still error 45 :/

Meta4ik · Jan 11, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

"Unless actual hacking was involved, this was a mistake by Anet. People were just doing something that is physically possible to do in the game."

Well if you would of take a minute to research it, yes, actual hacking was involved.

No actually a vast majority of the players banned were ferried via GH. maybe you should research some correct info.

garethporlest18 · Jan 11, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Elentari

You know, if idiots like you just read the first post where the devs explain the issue you'd have a better understanding of the situation and there would be about 80% less useless posts in this thread

Actually no it wouldn't, as certain posts in this thread uncover the fact some of Anet's customers know more about their game then they do and/or uncover the fact Anet doesn't tell us everything that they should (to be courteous/good businessmen (don't know the word I want to use..).

Meta4ik · Jan 11, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Elentari

You know, if idiots like you just read the first post where the devs explain the issue you'd have a better understanding of the situation and there would be about 80% less useless posts in this thread

You do realize that this more likely than not it was a Dev who was pissed off or wanted to help a friend ferried him over to the town. If Anet's claims that the game was secure once again then how were they able to do it?

The Great Al · Jan 11, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Elentari

You know, if idiots like you just read the first post where the devs explain the issue you'd have a better understanding of the situation and there would be about 80% less useless posts in this thread

Like this one? As someone just said, the majority of the people involved did no hacking whatsoever.

IMO, this is similar to the situation when people got banned for buying items for cheap that were duplicated. There's a lot of gray area when it comes to banning in this game, especially permanent banning.

SolidShadow · Jan 11, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

In the passed of GuildWars more of such things happend even at a larger scale, for example instant merchant price crashes.

Back then they chose to do a restore of a few hours ago, why in this senario wasnt the problem fixed and restored.

So far in this thread it shows that 1 guy made a hack program. After he started taxing random people everyone got involved with it not even knowing they acutally useing 3rd party software getting illegal in there.

So far i can say its just a technical bug , cause it is fixed now, kinda sad for the people who got involved and got banned with only the arguments of you should have known you have been wrong.

And for the people who think they exploided something, if these players really knew they where doing something wrong: then why everyone uses there primary accounts.

For example i have 5 accounts myself, some have over 8 accounts. If you ever think about hacking i mean everyone has the brains not even doing such stuff on there main account risking it to be banned.

garethporlest18 · Jan 11, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

SolidShadow the reason they didn't rollback is because that would make nearly everyone who plays this game unhappy, while them just banning folks makes a lesser percentage of people happy.

For example:

95% unhappy with rollback
40% unhappy with bannings. (more like 25% in this case since everyone seems to enjoy it.)

Erm that and the fact that they didn't/can't fix it. So they have to scare people from using it cause they're unable to fix haha.

Uber Mass · Jan 11, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by SolidShadow

And for the people who think they exploided something, if these players really knew they where doing something wrong: then why everyone uses there primary accounts.

i think people are dumb enough to exploit with their primary account.. and not all of GW world has 2 accounts... and further back you can read that people with 2 accounts got both their accounts back..

Dr Strangelove · Jan 11, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

Actually, what I find funny is all these cheaters trying to blame anet for their cheating.

Seriously. From the posts in this thread, you'd swear all these people were standing around serving meals to the homeless and tending to sick orphans when Anet snuck up behind them and hit them in the head with the banhammer.

It's not impossible for Anet to make mistaken bans, I think Bryant Again has been banned 40+ times now wrongfully, but I'm willing to bet the majority of these bans were justified. Drop the halos, they don't suit you.

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by SolidShadow

So far i can say its just a technical bug , cause it is fixed now, kinda sad for the people who got involved and got banned with only the arguments of you should have known you have been wrong.

And for the people who think they exploided something, if these players really knew they where doing something wrong: then why everyone uses there primary accounts.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=988

already pointed out that it should have been kind of blatently obvious.....

SolidShadow · Jan 11, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

it didnt happen to me, but my point of view would be , wauw this is cool lets play.

thats also why im defending there positions.